Does Ron Paul Hurt Or Help?

To hear Ron Paul's supporters, their man is having great success in this year's presidential primary.  But when the votes are counted and the delegates assembled he barely shows up where it counts.  Still, his campaign must be having some impact else he would drop out of the race, right?  Wrong.

Ron Paul isn't about being a republican, he's about assembling enough people behind his own libertarian world view that somebody will be forced to listen to him on some issues.  And on some issues, I hope they do.  But on many others, I hope they don't.

For example I like his stance on fiscal policy and think the Federal Reserve needs to have the light of day shined into every nook and cranny.  I'm all for a full fledged audit and for ending the reign of the Creature From Jekyll Island.

But the American public has no interest in abandoning our strong support for Israel under the guise of eliminating ALL foreign aid.  Paul has said too many things which thinly disguise his true feelings about Israel for that to fly.

And the crazy notion that everything must be a states right might have worked when it took a month for horses to drag a wagon from Pennsylvania to Illinois across flooded rivers, but the flow of heroin across our southern borders and into the veins of our young folks is a matter of hours now and it is reckless to put the burden of stopping the international drug trade on individual states.

Furthermore, I will never back any proposal that says out of one side of the mouth "I'm Pro-Life" and then says out of the other side "But I think each state should make its own decision".  That's not Pro-Life, that's a cop-out at best and a pandering mouth full of deception at worst.

Ron Paul's minions are mostly revolutionaries who have convinced themselves that an ideal world can be created where there will be no government at all.  They, like some liberals, think that foreign governments will just leave us alone if we just leave them alone.  They apparently do not see the evil, murderous, lustful craving of communists, radical Jihadists and globalists to take over our nation and impose a form of tyranny which will make pre-1776 British rule look like utopia.

While Ron Paul will argue that he is bringing more enthusiasm to the republican party, he is not.  He is bringing people into the GOP who are enthusiastic about re-making the organization in their own image.  Yes, we can all agree, that some of the ideas of entrenched republican lawmakers don't seem to be in the nation's best interest, and yes, some of our problems can be blamed on them as well as the democrats.  But Ron Paul supporters would rather declare war on republicanism and make peace with Iran than make peace with republicans in an effort to affect their decision making.  In that sense, his so called "movement" is bad for the party, and in the end, bad for the country.

Kentucky republicans need to wake up and realize that  the folks behind this movement in the Commonwealth have demonstrated that they will indeed, despite their claims to the contrary, engage in the very kind of political games which they say they oppose.

Various Ron Paul websites have outlined ways in which they intend to conduct themselves contrary to their stated purposes.  Doug Wead, senior spokesman for the Ron Paul campaign has admitted that their organization is specifically targeting delegates in various states to vote for Ron Paul at the national convention, regardless whether Paul won those states or not.  And time and time again some of these folks right here in Kentucky have made it clear that they will infiltrate the Republican Party, and then work against the GOP nominee in the fall elections if "their guy" doesn't win in May.

These kinds of threats, these kinds of questionable tactics and these kinds of agenda items are not good for the republican party and we need to be alert to them.

It's one thing to join an organization and to try to help build it.  It's quite another to join an organization and then try to tear it down from within.

Don't be fooled.

Comments

[Michael T.]

We are not entitled to police the world.
As for foreign aid; not one penny of foreign aid is used to improve the life of any of the peoples of the world. It is used to pay interest upon intentionally bad loans by the IMF and World Bank to those countries and not a penny goes to the principal, which is why there is an ever increasing amount of foreign aid. Not only are we saddled with an interest baring fiat currency, but our nation's riches are being robbed through the misconception that we are somehow saving the peoples of the world not paying tribute to the international bankers. Plus we are paying the lion's share of support for the UN a foreign entity proven to be an enemy of our country.
As for Israel, no country on the planet has committed more acts of aggression against the United States over a longer period of years than Israel, going back to the New Zionist [Ashkenazi] terrorist groups [2] before the establishment of Israel [that became the core of the Mossad]. Anyone who studies the Talmud, book of the orthodox Jewish [sic] religion has to see the parallels with the Quran. As one Israeli told me, "The only difference is who will rule the world and exterminate their definition of 'infidels.' I am Hebrew not Ashkenazi orthodox." A very illuminating statement coming from a native born Israeli don't you think? What became of the "Hebrew" religion? When did the Hebrew religion become exclusively the Jewish Religion? What became of the Torah? Guess that is what Jesus meant when he said, "These are not my people," referring to the Pharisee Priests. Maybe we are too easily sold on statism. To be free means having the courage to allow others to be free.

[Zipory]

In the long term and short term Ron Paul does more harm then good. I agree with the author that Paul's fiscal policies are sound and his stance that the Fed needs to be investigated and audited is not only necessary but way past due.

That said almost everything else he stands for are in some cases naive but downright dangerous.The worst part is that he "attracts" some of the most despicable groups and their minions to his Paulian cult.

Let's add a point that many seem to overlook. B Hussein was elected despite his nefarious past and associations. Many said they didn't know and if they did wouldn't have voted for him. In a way the same applies to Paul. His supporters are some of the real dregs in the American society and it's well known and documented. He attracts antisemites, white supremacists. the KKK and the list goes on and on. His claim that he's not responsible for who supports him is a garbage claim cos the fact is that he does and they wouldn't be so loyal if they didn't believe he was of the same mind. Yet, the ronbots cling to this squeaky midget as if he's the Messiah. Remind you of someone else?

These are the people running around and claiming discrimination when they lose or things don't go their way. These are the people who claim to be victims when thing don't go their way.

They use the Muslim's tactic of becoming professional "victims". After a jihadi massacres children they are afraid of the so called "backlash" (which never happens) in order to distract from the heinous massacre.

Ron Paul and his ronbots do the same thing within the Republican party. They become "victims" whenever things don't go their way.

They are in my opinion using the same tactics of the Muslims Ron Paul loves and supports and they have the same agenda of domination but in this case the ronbots want to dominate the GOP. Stealth and creeping jihad within the conservative movement while they are anything but conservatives.

So not only doesn't Paul and his ronbots help they hurt the GOP in the short term and definitely in the long term. They aren't true conservatives and can't be depended upon to support the GOP nominee who ever he might be when their imp loses.

[G]

I do not like the Libertarian Republican that the Paul's brings to the party. They were Libertarians and as Ron said ,he knew he could not get elected running on that ticket so he "REJOINED", the Republican party. Remember he resigned and sent in his registration card along with his letter of resignation. These people idolize Barry Goldwater , He moved from being a real conservative to a God hater and loathed social Conservatives, he too embarrassed legalizing prostitution and drugs during his years in politics. The libertarians are more liberal then the liberals and a lot more dangerous . I have said it before and will again . If they want to be Libertarians then so be it but stop trying to call yourself a Republican when we all know your not. Underhandedness and deceit,are OK as long at it's them that are doing it. There is also a hint of militant air with these people too, it's their way or no way. I was always told when while I was growing up, a half truth is still a lie. If they ever get any real power it will be like the wild west! Any thing goes. Personal liberty does not mean you can do what ever you like just because you want to do it with no resistants.

[Jeff Davis]

Hey there Marcus Carey:
"Your comments, frankly, are despicable, dishonorable, uninformed, unhistorical, anti-intellectual and, frankly, un-American. But I respect your freedom to make those statements, because they were purchased with the blood of all of those who served."

[Adam Love]

You may recall a couple of months back that I told you this was going to happen. This is the Mobilize & Confront strategy that's been taught to Paul and C4L activists for the last 4 years in action.

However many times it takes, the GOP is going to learn that it will not win another major election unless it nominates Ron Paul or a candidate in his image: one that pushes sound, commodity-backed currency, free (not coroporatist) markets, civil liberties (no PATRIOT Act, no NDAA, no Military Commissions) and a non-interventionist foreign policy (no pre-emptive, undeclared wars, no foreign aid for ANYONE).

That's the deal. That's the new normal. We've already got our foot in the door and constitute 10% - 20% of the GOP base, depending on what state you're looking at, and we will not simply fall in and support the nominee if said nominee doesn't support ALL of our platform. Politicians aren't influenced by people who vote for them even if they don't do what they say they're going to do.

They're influenced by people who will cost them elections if they don't get in line. OUR line.

I know you don't like it, I know you think we're wrong, but frankly we don't see that we have anything to lose. The bright side that I see is that 4 years from now, when Rand runs for President, you'll be on our side, and we'll be happy to have you, because while you may not think that Rand stands for all of the same things his father does, we know he does. If it simply takes a re-phrased version of the same positions coming out of a different Paul's mouth to get you onboard, so be it.

Looking forward to working with you then.

[John]

I wish you didn't think the 9th and 10th Amendments are invalid, Marcus. Also, it's not reorganizing the party, it's restoring it. Santorum said he's happy that the party moved away from Goldwater Republicanism and the Ron Paul people are trying to bring that back. Would you rather have a Rand Paul or a Trey Grayson?

[Marc's reply: don't jump to silly conclusions. Obviously I don't think the Constitution is invalid. It's just that I remember hearing Kruschev vow to take us over and I've read their play book which was revealed by a former communist. It specifically provides for the destruction of morals and the plan to addict our youth to drugs. I come from a time when we were not so gullible and see these problems with a broader perspective. It's a national security issue. And I made my choice, I backed Rand. Thanks for the comment.]

[Oracle]

Never support bad Republicans because it just makes them worse.